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February 18, 2012 in City
Paul revs up receptive crowd
Libertarian sounds familiar themes to audience of 2,300
Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul walks on stage to thunderous applause Friday at the Spokane Convention Center, where about 2,300 people gathered for an hourlong rally.
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Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul may not have won a state primary yet, but he remains a favorite to win Spokane County.
A standing-room-only crowd of about 2,300 shouted their support for Paul during his 45-minute speech Friday evening at the Spokane Convention Center.
Paul is the second Republican presidential candidate to visit the Inland Northwest this week as Washington and Idaho prepare for their presidential caucuses early next month. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum spoke to about 600 supporters in Coeur d’Alene on Tuesday.
Paul, who was introduced by state Rep. Matt Shea, R-Spokane Valley, started his speech pointing to his strong base of support. In 2008, Paul finished first in the caucuses in Spokane County, capturing 46 percent of the vote.
“Four years ago I was told that there was a brush fire started here for the cause of liberty,” he said. “It looks like it’s much bigger than a brush fire right now.”
Paul, a Texas congressman who ran for the GOP nomination four years ago and was the Libertarian Party’s presidential nominee in 1988, criticized the Iraq war and recent financial bailouts.
“The people who should have had the depression got the bailout,” he said. “The American people ended up owning this debt.”
He called for less foreign intervention, halting the war on drugs, the repeal of the Patriot Act, an end to federal income taxes and a return to the gold standard.
“The reason that the big government people detest gold is because they have power if they can create the money out of thin air. Then they can distribute it to their friends,” he said. “When you destroy a currency, you destroy the middle class.”
Paul said the government is “endless in taking away our liberty.”
“Once we make this assumption that the government can protect us against ourselves, there is no liberty left,” he said.
He also called for an end to government assistance to the poor.
“Where in the world did we ever get this idea that if you’re not entitled to go to your neighbor’s house and take what they have and you don’t have, what made it legal and what made it moral to send the government to do that?”
The enthusiastic crowd included diverse age groups.
Alex Vail, an 18-year-old from Colville, said he supports Paul because of his commitment to civil liberties and reducing the country’s debt “so my generation and my kids and my grandkids aren’t going to have to pay off their great-grandparents’ debts,” he said.
Craig and Kelley Lewis, of Rathdrum, brought their two sons to the rally.
“Once you get past the media’s bias, you realize he stands for everything we do,” Kelley Lewis said.
Craig Lewis added: “He stands up for the Constitution more than any of the others.”
Spokane resident Nate Hoeksema said Paul seems like the only “genuine” candidate. He said he’s uncertain how he’ll vote for president if Paul doesn’t win the Republican nomination.
“I feel like a vote for anybody else would be a vote for ‘It doesn’t matter,’ ” he said.
After his speech Paul said he has “no plans” to run for president as a third-party or independent candidate should he not get the GOP nomination.
“I am in a good race right now,” he said. “Even in the states that we don’t come on top in the popular vote, in many of those states we’re going to come out very well in the delegate vote and that’s what really counts out in a campaign like this.”
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norpass on February 18 at 7:22 a.m.
It will be interesting to watch and see if Washington’s Republican Caucus cheats Dr. Paul out of a much deserved victory. On account of and you know, the fraud in Iowa, Nevada, Maine, and just about every other R-Caucus/Primary held to date.
If the system is that fraudulent, might be time for a process that is in the very least, transparent.
Spokane_Citizen on February 18 at 7:41 a.m.
Oh yeah…if RON PAUL doesn’t get the nomination he was cheated by the system….get your excuses ready early! He’s completely unelectable as a presidential candidate, because he’s a flake (and while his constituency of like-minded flakes are ardent, they can’t seem to grasp that they are quite small in number). He’s merely an interesting circus sideshow!
Diana on February 18 at 7:47 a.m.
norpass I was wondering what the conspiracy theory would be. Thanks for sharing.
Spokane_Citizen on February 18 at 7:52 a.m.
Did you know that RON PAUL allowed Jeff Dunham to use his face as a mold for the Walter dummy’s face?
Gary D Rhodes on February 18 at 7:56 a.m.
Spokane citizen, your talking points are out of date. There was a time you could sound plugged-in and hip by marginalizing Dr. Paul by saying he is a crazy flake that only appeals to fringe zealots that espouse conspiracy theories and wear tin foil hats, but that was 4 years ago.
Maybe this time folks like you might want to discuss the issues. It’s going to be harder to marginalize his consistently correct prescient positions, than it is to mock the old doctor.
Gary D Rhodes on February 18 at 7:58 a.m.
Diana, it must be a viable theory, or do you distrust Rachael Maddow too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1SEDfCFdKY4#!
Spokane_Citizen on February 18 at 7:59 a.m.
Well, Gary, I’ve got to admit one thing about ” the old dr” he’s indeed consistent…consistently flakey. His candidacy is going nowhere.
Diana on February 18 at 8:03 a.m.
Rhodes, did I anything about mistrust? Try reading for comprehension.
Ron Paul will never be President, btw.
Orphan on February 18 at 8:03 a.m.
Spokane_Citizen So we just keep on electing the same ol people from the same ol political mind set that continue to dismantle our country one election at a time.
Things are not going to change if we keep on electing the type of politicians that we have elected for the last 75 years give or take.
We need to elect a circus sideshow, we need to elect a bunch of so called circus sideshows to high offices so that we the people get the message across that we are not accepting the status quo any longer.
By the way Ron Paul has my support his foreign policy is weak but I like most of the rest of what he has to say. I have to agree with you that Mr. Paul is most likely not going to be nominated but that in no way means he should simply shut up and sit down. Unless of course you Spokane_Citizen would censure Mr. Paul’s speech and his like minded flakes speech.
I wonder what scares you about Ron Paul that elicits such harsh responses from you. If in your mind he is irrelevant why even bother to respond much less respond in a harsh manner.
Hunterman on February 18 at 8:09 a.m.
This may sound like an oxymoron, but Ron Paul comes across to me as one of only two nationwide politicians who are honest men. The other is Obama. I like both of them as people, politics aside. Ron Paul is really doing this country a service by pointing out things that need to be changed that no one else is talking about, and I tip my hat to him, even though he could never be ‘electable.’
jdspokanewa on February 18 at 8:15 a.m.
I always find it amusing when a small group of people delusionally believe in conspiracies because their ideas or candidate does not win. Ron Paul has some serious support but that support is not as large as some of you might want to believe. It is not a conspiracy.
Then again, I think back on serious voter fraud and tampering in the past and I realize the Republicans know what they’re doing when it comes to that so I wouldn’t put it past them.
jdspokanewa on February 18 at 8:21 a.m.
Hunterman, I like your post. Days of politics where that matters no longer exist. The days of debates where issues were brought up that nobody wanted to talk about are over for the GOP, instead they want to discuss who is better friends with Jesus and who would be the first to nuke Iran. Paul stands alone against them and the softball questions don’t cover what Paul is selling.
Spokane_Citizen on February 18 at 8:24 a.m.
Nothing scares me about RON PAUL. He does, however, amuse me.
He’ll never (obviously) have any attraction to the left, and his appeal to conservatives is quite limited. Do you understand wy that is the case?
Let me spell it out to you. There are three basic conservative sub-factions (yes they can overlap, but rarely do they completely coincide).
1) Social conservatives….the good doctor hasn’t a snowball’s chance in hell of courting these conservatives.
2) Fiscal conservatives….slightly aligned but when he starts spouting gold standard economic rubbish he loses them (cue you to start ranting about fiat currency).
3) Military strength conservatives…..he’s dead on arrival with this group due to his isolationism.
Stand around with huge RON PAUL signs, and complain about conspiracies, all you want, but his candidacy simply lacks sufficient voter attraction. Plus, he just looks, and acts, like a crabby old dude sucking a lemon.
D Statler on February 18 at 8:25 a.m.
Interesting ideas, R.P. might as well be R.I.P. Our two party system is flawed to say the least. Anyone that has a few good ideas gets labeled as a flake. It would be nice to see the electable candidates (Obama included)remove their head from the trough long enough to review Paul’s ideas. The two partys seem to be so close together there is no real difference when closely examined. They are so deeply entrenched that what is best for America doesn’t matter anymore. One finds themselves voting for the lesser of two evils every election cycle.I had high hopes for the Tea party until the real flakes started surfacing one right after another.
We the average Americans have the power to effect change with our votes. We the average Americans have no viable third party to vote for. The Common Sense party appears ellusive!
Orphan on February 18 at 8:31 a.m.
Well said D Statler
Spokane_Citizen on February 18 at 8:36 a.m.
Nope, I would never censor RON PAUL’s words….he’s great comic relief! He clearly enjoys the attention, and I enjoy the laughs.
jdspokanewa on February 18 at 8:38 a.m.
So if Ron Paul had his own party he’d win? His appeal is limited, even if *some* of his ideas are good but when you roll them all together he is Ross Perot.
Again, the problem with many Ron Paul supporters is they think they are 90% of the voting populous. Same problem with the tea party, they seemed to keep thinking they had everyone on their side but when the dust settles, only the extremists were left and the numbers aren’t there.
MrBloggy on February 18 at 8:42 a.m.
Lucifer: So Ayn, is this Ron Paul what you intended?
Ayn Rand: Not exactly.
Lucifer: But, but … all the talk of personal liberty and unfettered markets!
Ayn Rand: I wrote speculative fiction. God, I need a smoke.
Spokane_Citizen on February 18 at 8:45 a.m.
Well said JD. Like Perot (and equally so for the tea party) RON PAUL successfully taps a bit of populist anger, but ultimately it’s ‘all show and no go’ with little lasting voter appeal. Doesn’t need a conspiracy to make it fail…it just falls to pieces (except for a few ‘true believers’).
D Statler on February 18 at 8:58 a.m.
@jdspokanewa, When Obama ran on the promise of change.He won by a landslide of popular votes. The real problem is there was no real change after he was elected. He had the vast majority of voters support and failed to effect the REAL change America needs and voted for.
I would be interested in who your opinion on the best candidate currently running for President?
Gary D Rhodes on February 18 at 9:11 a.m.
@Spokane Citizen, you have totally DQ-ed yourself from rational discussion.
<<1. He’ll never (obviously) have any attraction to the left, and his appeal to conservatives is quite limited. Do you understand wy that is the case?>>
Wrong. Last cycle’s motivated youth are abandoning the president in bulk, and shifting their support and passion to Dr. Paul. Fact.
<<<2) Social conservatives….the good doctor hasn’t a snowball’s chance in hell of courting these conservatives.>>>
If you mean that he doesn’t want to tell people how they should live their lives, he’s no rick Santorum.
Paul believes you can conduct your life as you see fit, as long as you follow the law.
As a Christian military veteran that has been married to his wife for 55 years and is a pro-life gynecologist that has had his own private practice where he did pro-bono work for anyone that was in need. Sound conservative to me.
<<<3) Fiscal conservatives….slightly aligned but when he starts spouting gold standard economic rubbish he loses them (cue you to start ranting about fiat currency).>>>
If you don’t think we are experiencing inflation, a reduced standard of living and a shrinking middle class, while insiders in this nation and around the world use the Federal Reserve to fatten their off-shore accounts.
<<<4) Military strength conservatives…..he’s dead on arrival with this group due to his isolationism.>>>
There is a huge difference between isolationism and non-interventionism.
… his candidacy simply lacks sufficient voter attraction. Plus, he just looks, and acts, like a crabby old dude sucking a lemon.>>>
I’m done you with you. Too bad fools like you can even vote.
wise2lies on February 18 at 9:12 a.m.
After reading over the comments regarding Ron Paul I have come to the conclusion that if the bulk of the voters that show up at the polls have the mindset of Spokane_citizen this nation
is doomed to a socialist/communist/facist government to its final demise. Any person who cannot relate to true freedom such as
existed in the 1950’s where we were far removed from draconian rule by the multitude of governmental agencys that have grown to the intrusive, freedom denying,money grubbing entities that they are today is totally lost. The NGO’s such as the Sierrra Club that prevents the people from engaging in the timber industry, the implementation of agenda 21 United nations program that will eventually remove the people from the land and force them into overpopulated enclaves is what we will have if we do not go with Ron Paul and seek a true constitutional government. He is not an isolationist as has been
wrongly expressed by Spokane_citizen. He is a non-Interventionalist, meaning, mind your own business and your business is not being an empire and forcing smaller nations to do your bidding. That is the present criminal activity that is going on under past and present regimes. That needs to change and will if the people are smart enough to elect Ron Paul. The only honest candidate of either party who needs no prescripted speeches and teleprompters to put his message across. Some just are not smart enough to recognise truth and discern good from bad. The deliberate dumbing down of America has worked far beyond the hierarchys dreams.
real_gal on February 18 at 9:16 a.m.
@Spokane_Citizen:
I assure you, you are incorrect in Ron Paul’s demographic of voter.
1.) Ind. is the new majority (40%) - all time high in an election year according to Gallup and he beats Obama already there.
2.) I’m a lefty and switched party to support him in my closed primary state along with many Blue Republicans, disaffected Dems, Greens, Occupy etc. Ralph Nader calls it ‘foundational convergence.’ He’s correct. Tea and Occupy are even coming together under Constitutional premises. My conservative family and my monkey-wrenching progressive pals have never agreed on a candidate in our whole lives. Liberty is popular. Perpetual war and tyrannical monetary policy/economy is not.
3.) Respectfully, it seems you watch too much Big 6 TV. Read a book - it’s pleasant. Or, just look at the CNN poll where 52% of US believes Ron Paul’s platform supports the middle class - more than any other candidate (including Obama).
4.) I could go on, but I encourage you to be inspired enough in our shared future to look into it yourself. Because I just know instinctively you’re smarter than the false paradigm, status quo lockstep uni-party collectivism presented by MSM. Break those chains, Sir! Hegelian dialect will drive you mad, make you less prosperous, less free and less safe.
In parting, I’ll steal from Thomas Jefferson:
“Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of the day, but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, unalterable through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematical plan of reducing us to slavery.”
brianth on February 18 at 9:18 a.m.
It truly amazes me all the negative comments about Ron Paul that people keep making like, he’s a flake, he’s unelectable, he will not be the Republican nominee. It sounds just like the script you keep being feed by your MSM gods! If you people actually took the time to hear what he is saying, you just might get it! But not to surprising that his message is that of what this great country once was and could still be. Yes that truly has to be the flakiest thing ever said!! Oh, and for the unelectable part…truly amazing he has been in politics for nearly 30 yrs, tells me he is very electable!! And during that 30 yrs he has always been consistent in what he stands for, can any other politician say that? I really don’t care who anyone votes for, but please research the issues and what your candidate stands for., Don’t vote for someone because some high paid, unintelligent, major MSM T.V. personality tells you to vote for that person! But with some of the comments in here, you can already tell, you just go by what is spoon feed to you by the powers that be!!
BlondeSquawker on February 18 at 9:19 a.m.
Obama is succeeding. He has my vote again this year.
MrBloggy on February 18 at 9:26 a.m.
Ron Paul is an illegal candidate. He was born on Neptune, which last time I checked was NOT the USA. Show the birth certificate Ron Paul!
Spokane_Citizen on February 18 at 9:30 a.m.
Oh yes, RON PAUL is the latest incarnation of Thomas Jefferson, and we ignore him at our nation’s peril….yada, yada, yada. I knew today’s coverage of his visit to our little burg would bring out the fanatics. Get over yourselves; hardly anybody would ever vote for this candidate….he’s just a media sideshow (with his tiny but vocal group of zealots handy for footage and foolscript)!
BlondeSquawker on February 18 at 9:33 a.m.
MrBloggy: Do you think there’s any relation?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9UXKOIvuYE
Orphan on February 18 at 9:36 a.m.
jdspokanwa
I might add the so called 99% that seem to actually believe they have most people on their side. The liberals also suffer from the same fantasy. It is always the demise of whom ever thinks they have enough power to do as they like.
Look at the liberals, obama won the election by less than 2% of the popular vote and yet they act like it was a landslide victory. The liberals continually label the Republicans as the party of no when in fact they represent about half of the people in this country. Our government is grid locked because about half want what the liberals want and about half want what the conservatives want. I understand this is a oversimplification but makes my point.
The greatest indicator that I am correct is obama can not get a lot of his liberal agenda passed and that is a good thing because so many do not favor it. If the Democrats thought that they had the next election in hand they would have passed a lot more stuff before the 2010 elections.
This is also why the Democrats will lose seats in the house and senate in 2012 and we will become even more gridlocked. Our political system is working as designed from the stand point of who has the power.
de3 on February 18 at 9:37 a.m.
MrBloggy, they do not issue birth certificates on Neptune so he will have to PhotoShop a copy created later.
BlondeSquawker on February 18 at 9:41 a.m.
Reminds me of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9UXKOIvuYE
DDC on February 18 at 9:41 a.m.
Ron Paul is well aware that he has little to no chance of being elected. He’s planting seeds. Unlike the majority of politicians and those who support them. Paul is thinking 20 years doen the road. I’m glad Ross Perot was mentioed as he is a good example of a seed planter, as the only major investor to support Steve Jobs after his fall from Apple, Eventually. His belief in Jobs changed the world. The masses never collectively think like these people in quantities that will get them elected to national office….that’s why the masses are so willing to be led….eventually to the point of being ruled.
wise2lies on February 18 at 9:41 a.m.
Gary Rhodes, you did a great job in rebutting the totally ignorant statements of the Spokane_citizen. But he can’t really believe a bit of what he is saying if he watched any of the so-called Republican debates. The establishment controlled media
intentionally trying to ignore Ron Paul should have been clue enough to any with more then 2 brain cells to determine that Ron Paul was going to talk about the real problems and the real solutions and the establishment does not want the little people to wake up to those facts. The Bible says, the poor will always be with us, I do believe that it could just as easily said
the ignorant will always be with us. Unfortunately one half of the
population is below average in their ability to think clearly. This is an unrebuttable fact and so our hope lies in the 50 % that is above the average. I am sure those that are will vote for Ron Paul.
Dennis on February 18 at 9:50 a.m.
The only people more idiotic than Paul are the fools who actually believe that he is a viable candidate. That makes I-Duh-Ho and the “Enema Empire” fertile ground I suppose.
Proof that self medication is a bad thing.
johnclarke on February 18 at 9:58 a.m.
If Ron Paul is so electable, then elect him already.
wise2lies on February 18 at 9:41 a.m.
The Bible says, the poor will always be with us, I do believe that it could just as easily said
the ignorant will always be with us. Unfortunately one half of the
population is below average in their ability to think clearly. This is an unrebuttable fact and so our hope lies in the 50 % that is above the average. I am sure those that are will vote for Ron Paul.
Well then, if I I follow your math then Ron Paul is our next President, right ?
Scoutster on February 18 at 10:05 a.m.
Ron Paul…
Big Enough to be noticed, Small Enough to be ignored, depending on how you keep score.
Change begins at fringe.
Gary D Rhodes on February 18 at 10:05 a.m.
Unfortunately fools, the gullible and those seeking a free lunch (paid for by some other American) also have the vote. Turning our entitlement nation around will not be easy. Paul’s support is growing increasingly. His message is resonating.
The Paul detractors never offer meaningful debate, only demonization.
johnclarke on February 18 at 10:12 a.m.
Gary D Rhodes on February 18 at 10:05 a.m.
Unfortunately fools, the gullible and those seeking a free lunch
Ohh ohh ! It’s another “free lunch” guy ! Are you the second libertarian in Spokane ?
So, what is it with you guys? Your best showing ever in an election was 0.5% of the vote. Not the population mind you, but the vote. There are like a very (very) tiny handful of you Ayn Rand followers, and we are all the nutjobs and getting our “free lunches” right? Apparently Ann did not have your problem with getting free stuff.
sheesh. Libertarians.
Gary D Rhodes on February 18 at 10:15 a.m.
I guess they were all at the Convention Center yesterday then.
Paul drew 4 times the crowd Santorum got in Coeur d’ Alene.
misjustice on February 18 at 10:24 a.m.
Someone is pining for “…true freedom such as
existed in the 1950’s…”
YEAH!
Those were the good old days. Most women didn’t work, contraception was still illegal, Jim Crow segregation was in place, schools were racially segregated, Gay people were locked in the closet and regularly beaten if they dared to exit, inter-racial marriage was illegal, and whte males ruled the world!
Those sure were the days….sigh…
I’m sure Ayn Paul looks upon those times fondly, as well.
I smoked a bowl in honor of Ayn Paul’s visit to Spokan’t but that’s as far as my support for him goes. He’s a nice enough, if goofy, guy; I just don’t want him for my President. He’s like that batty uncle that you only see at Thanksgiving…tolerable in small doses.
; )
Gary D Rhodes on February 18 at 10:48 a.m.
Miss J, ending the war on drugs is the ONLY thing you got right.
But that is an improvement!
I’ll join you in that bowl to celebrate!
Just throwing out a bunch of problems from the past does nothing to elucidate the current debate.
Paul is not running to turn the clock back, he is running to point us in the direction of a better America.
Most women preferred to stay at home and rear her children in the 50’s, a good thing that choice was possible then.
Nowadays taxes at all levels require 2 people to be working. The choice of staying home has been eliminated from many people.
Jim Crow laws were legal discrimination. Sometimes bad laws must be repealed. Paul will facilitate that.
Gay people beaten? Paul and his position of personal liberty only sees individual people, not groups.
Marry whomever you choose.
Ron Paul 2012, for peace, prosperity, personal freedom.
brianth on February 18 at 11:09 a.m.
Sure a lot of NON Ron Paul zealots out today!Hoping to incite a political boxing match. Curious…. Who do you support? Trust me I feel the same way about your comical, flaky and NON electable candidate as well. But of course, you wont mention who you support, will you?
detroitdude on February 18 at 11:52 a.m.
I think Ron Paul has the right idea when it comes to ending the war on drugs, I think he has the right idea on reducing military spending as well. I like his stance on gay marriage and things like that. His foreign policy seems good in theory, getting us out of being the world’s police. It’s too bad he won’t get the nomination, I think it would be interesting for him and Obama to debate. People can call him a flake all day, he’s not nearly as screwed up as Rick Santorum, who morons are actually considering voting for.
Spokane_Citizen on February 18 at 12:48 p.m.
Detroitdude…you mention some of the main things RON PAUL supports…and they are EXACTLY the things that make him exceedingly unacceptable to most conservatives! He’s not going to get the republican nomination because of a conspiracy, but rather because his platform has little commonality to the beliefs of most conservatives. Most conservatives aren’t really keen on gay marriage, ending the war on drugs, or weakening America by cutting the Dept of Defense. He’ll never pull them into his tent.
And yes, he is certainly not as screwed up as Santorum…but that actually makes him less attractive to the average conservative core voter. As for the independents; they just look at RON PAUL with affectionate disdain….but would never be silly enough to trust a ‘batty uncle’ with America’s future.
D Statler on February 18 at 1:18 p.m.
I still havn’t figured out who the lesser of two evils is yet :^(
norpass on February 18 at 1:51 p.m.
M’Dear Spok-Cit:
You certainly do get your knickers in a wad. I made NO comment about Dr. Paul getting the Republican nomination. I’d doubt Dr. Paul will get that nomination. Dr. Paul is entirely too honest for the likes of mainstream Republicans. My sole point was the dishonest and fraudulent manner in which the Republicans are running their caucus/primary voting tallies. MSM maintained that Romney “won” Iowa and turns out Santorum won that. There was sufficient discrepancy in Nevada, Missouri, Minnesota, and Maine as to put the whole exercise in doubt. It’s the process that is suspect. My only point. I speculated on how Washington Republicans would conduct their caucus and the counts. You seem to have inserted your own personal bias and drawn your own conclusions. That’s okay too. Live in knee-jerk world and prosper.
If the nomination process can’t be trusted to be fair and honest, well, America NEEDS something new.
greenlibertarian on February 18 at 2:08 p.m.
Rhodes is a full-on birther, there’s your key to his insight.
“Any person who cannot relate to true freedom such as
existed in the 1950’s”
Yes, we especially miss the true freedom of making blacks sit in the back of the bus and go to their own schools. High-five whitey!
gmorton on February 18 at 2:13 p.m.
Spokane_Citizen wrote,
“As for the independents; they just look at RON PAUL with affectionate disdain….but would never be silly enough to trust a ‘batty uncle’ with America’s future.”
“Batty,” “flake,” etc.
Very substantive comments, Citizen. Perhaps some day you’ll outgrow the *ad hominems* and learn how to construct a real argument.
misjustice on February 18 at 2:29 p.m.
“Most women preferred to stay at home and rear her children in the 50’s, a good thing that choice was possible then.”
REALLY?
And how the hell would you know what MOST women preferred? MOST women had NO OTHER CHOICE; I wouldn’t expect anyone that thinks the 50s was the height of freedoms to even get that…
*sigh*
Carry on…
Spokane_Citizen on February 18 at 2:56 p.m.
Well, MsJ…he does have the white supremacy endorsement thing going for him!
Orphan on February 18 at 3:26 p.m.
Spokane_Citizen I am a conservative and I could care less if gays marry, I personally think why would they want the government in their business when they start getting divorces but hey if that’s what they wanna do so be it.
I also favor legalizing pot and reducing the military, most conservatives I know are of the same mind set.
One question for you when you say end the war on drugs should we legalize meth, heroin etc?
You my friend have fallen for the media BS hook line and sinker while at the same time demonstrating your lack of critical thinking. Sure there are some right wing religious zealots that fit your description but the majority of us don’t think that way.
Your last comment is out of line, RP would never accept an enforcement form a white supreamist. Funny how you always end up name calling in place of debating the topic.
mikeln on February 18 at 3:41 p.m.
It wouldn’t matter if we elected the tooth fairy president, it is congress that makes and funds the laws. Do you thing these people would do anything to stop thier gravy train?
johnclarke on February 18 at 3:42 p.m.
Orphan on February 18 at 3:26 p.m.
I also favor legalizing pot and reducing the military, most conservatives I know are of the same mind set.
Really? Which ones?
Bruce (aka thatoneguy) on February 18 at 4:00 p.m.
“Most women preferred to stay at home and rear her children in the 50’s, a good thing that choice was possible then.”
Oh man, that’s hilarious.
Gary D Rhodes on February 18 at 4:16 p.m.
Hey Bruce, I’m a stay-at-home dad.
It’s nice not having them in daycare, to be home when my forth-grader get’s out of school.
Having one parent in the home is not for everyone, but the choice should be there if that is what the family decides.
Lowering taxes and reducing government frees people up to choose the lifestyle they choose. I am pro choice.
But this is like pulling Santorum into the contraceptives pit. You loose just by arguing about it.
You reactionaries love your status quo so damned bad, you’;l never see the light.
Have a great Saturday night, I know I will.
MrBloggy on February 18 at 5:08 p.m.
Ok, so if Dan Savage and others made “Santorum” into a google wonderland of frothy fecal and lubricant left overs after gay anal sex … what could “Ron Paul” be made into? could it be “Ronpaul” or would that mess up Google’s algorithms?
MrBloggy will propose a few potentials:
Ronpaul: the stuff that coats old people’s dentures that requires a night in a glass full of denture cleaner to dissolve. usage: “Delbert, you best add some more cleaner, thems falsies are covered thick in ronpaul! you shouldn’t ate so much stroganoff.”
Ronpaul: the stuff you clean out of the Ronco Vegomatic. usage: “JENNY! you left all the ronpaul in the vegomatic and it was HELLO broccoli and it’s stinking the kitchen up to high heaven!”
Ronpaul: Toenail fungus. usage: “I best head into the podiatrist my toenails are about to jump off and go make tadpoles in a pond the ronpaul is so nasty”
Diana on February 18 at 5:23 p.m.
All of ‘em, Mr_Bloggy.
I wonder why Ron Paul gave the keynote address at the 2008 50th Anniversary conference of the John Birch Society and begged for their support.
Orphan on February 18 at 5:35 p.m.
Johnclark I don’t know anyone that thinks legalizing pot is a bad idea, not one person. And yes that is a lot more than a few people.
Most everyone I know also thinks our military needs to get smaller and stop policing the world.
Why is this so hard to believe?
drywitt99 on February 18 at 5:42 p.m.
Legalizing pot…..GOOD IDEA.
Not invading countries just because they piss of the President……
GOOD IDEA.
Rolling back civil rights legislation of the ‘60s because it prevented racist bastards from exercising their bigotry…….DUMBER THAN DUMB!
Rod_Foss on February 18 at 6:29 p.m.
You liberal wackos are doing it again. You froth up so easily; where’s your handler? Paul, the best candidate in this race, couldn’t get the nomination even if Obama endorsed him…and meant it!
Geez, take a pill if that helps. Your “messiah” couldn’t lose the election if he stood on top of the White House and mooned the world for 24 hours (“film at 11”).
jdspokanewa on February 18 at 7:40 p.m.
Froth up? Like a Santorum?
Trust me preacher, Obama isn’t my messiah but I believe in him more than I believe in your sky fairies.
Anyone want to see Rod Foss get all frothy? …I’m gay and I have a sex life and I’m going to get equal rights, so there!
Diana on February 18 at 7:51 p.m.
Careful there, jdspokanewa. You might be in for some cherry-picked bible quotations.
misjustice on February 18 at 7:52 p.m.
Ahh, (don’t Google it) Frothy Sanitorium and Mr. Frostie Freeze of “hold an aspirin between your knees” fame…what a dynamic duo!
The only good thing about Sanitorium is that he makes Ayn Paul seem “reasonable”, in a crotchety old guy kinda way.
At any rate, “some people say” that none of the candidates currently running will get the GOP nomination; the party elites are going to use a brokered convention to insert their own “candidates”… see ya’ll in Tampa!
; )
Rod_Foss on February 18 at 8:01 p.m.
jds:
Sky fairies? No such thing. There is a one true God. You’ll meet Him some day. Try not to fidget till it happens.
Diana:
You know very well I quote pertinent scripture within context, not to be misunderstood, if you or anybody else will listen. You want cherry-picking, talk to Jeff Gray.
MisJ:
What does any of that have to do with the story about Paul? He has less chance than Rick. And whatever shenanigans you “think” might happen at the nominating convention, what’s the diff? Obama can’t lose. Geez take a break, will ya?
misjustice on February 18 at 8:09 p.m.
Awww, Rod…right on cue!
; )
gmorton on February 18 at 9:07 p.m.
Let’s see . . .
The religious despots don’t like Paul because he would not allow the gummint to dictate your sex life;
The collectivist despots don’t like Paul because he would not allow the gummint to underwrite the costs of their sex lives, at your expense;
The warmongering despots don’t like Paul because he would not allow the gummint to force you to risk your life, or pay, for their militaristic adventures;
The drug warrior despots and eco-despots don’t like Paul because he would not allow the gummint to join in their fatuous crusades;
The welfare statists, subsidy hounds, crony capitalists, and other public parasites don’t like Paul because he would abolish all their free lunches.
Sounds like the right guy.
liberal_in_right_wing_land on February 18 at 9:54 p.m.
Red Foss, nobody knows if there is a God because nobody has meet to him or talked to him, despite what the religious flakes say.
However, should God or Jesus or whoever you believe in come down to earth one day and make an appearance, I will be the first one to say “Well sh*t, I guess I was wrong, there is a God after all, nice to meet you.”
But until then, its all fairy tales and bedtime stories to me.
ChefGus/ John Olsen on February 19 at 5:08 a.m.
You can “meet God” most any day of the week on the streets of Spokane… more than a few schizophrenic street people are convinced they are “god” or the “messiah” and they will be very happy to talk to you if you stop and ask them to. Gus
lumberjacksdaughter on February 19 at 7:08 a.m.
Dr. Paul points out that before the welfare system was put into place by the federal government, that local churches, community, family and friends lended the helping hand without government being involved.
misjustice on February 19 at 7:51 a.m.
^ yes, and despite their best efforts many poor and elderly and sick people perished in this nation or lived out their existence in severe poverty. I’ll take a gubmint safety net over Ayn Rand’s fairy tales anyday.
misjustice on February 19 at 7:59 a.m.
“The welfare statists, subsidy hounds, crony capitalists, and other public parasites don’t like Paul because he would abolish all their free lunches.”
And how, pray tell, could Ayn Paul do that? The executive branch of gubmint can’t just strike laws/legislation that they don’t like; and neither can it write law.
Additionally, if Ayn Paul was truly concerned about “free lunches” why hasn’t he worked to end them?
He’s been a member of the House for around 30 years. It would seem that he could have, should have, progressed legislation to eliminate those “free lunches” that he now, as a candidate for POTUS, is so opposed to; since all appropriation bills must start in the House, Ayn Paul has been in a position to do all that the libertarians can only dream of. But did he? NOPE…
And why NOT?
gmorton on February 19 at 9:29 a.m.
misjustice wrote,
“yes, and despite their best efforts many poor and elderly and sick people perished in this nation or lived out their existence in severe poverty.”
Poverty rates in the US declined steadily from the nation’s founding to the mid-1960s. By 1900 the US poverty rate had fallen below 50% – thus becoming the first (large) nation in history in which a majority of its citizens *were not poor*.
By 1966 – when LBJ’s “War on Poverty” began to take effect –the poverty rate had declined to 14%. It has not declined since (the rate last year was 15.1%).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Poverty_59_to_05.png
Poverty declined steadily in America until the ‘60s because of steady economic growth, not gummint free lunch schemes. Economic growth occurs when you have free markets and limited, responsible government.
gmorton on February 19 at 9:38 a.m.
misjustice wrote,
“And how, pray tell, could Ayn Paul do that? The executive branch of gubmint can’t just strike laws/legislation that they don’t like; and neither can it write law.”
Perfectly true. That’s why my statement used the subjunctive, “would,” instead of the indicative “will.”
” … It would seem that he could have, should have, progressed legislation to eliminate those ‘free lunches.’”
I think you answered your own question. He can no more “progress” legislation as a House member than can the Prez. As Prez he would merely have a bigger stick and a wider forum.
misjustice on February 19 at 9:46 a.m.
Ayn Paul, over the course of 30 years,could have proposed any number of appropriation bills that would have lead to the libertarian dystopia that he embraces. But he didn’t.
gmorton on February 19 at 9:58 a.m.
misjustice wrote,
“Ayn Paul, over the course of 30 years,could have proposed any number of appropriation bills that would have lead to the libertarian dystopia that he embraces. But he didn’t.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legislation_sponsored_by_Ron_Paul
misjustice on February 19 at 10:12 a.m.
I should have gone beyond mere proposal, proposed, passed, and signed into law…Ayn Paul has a dismal track record, almost as devoid of success as Representative McMoRo.
“WOW….1 bill that Ron Paul has sponsored has passed in 14 years. We are talking about a success rate of 0.22%…yes LESS THAN ONE QUARTER OF A PERCENT.”
(emphasis not mine)
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread789930/pg1
gmorton on February 19 at 10:43 a.m.
misjustice wrote,
“I should have gone beyond mere proposal, proposed, passed, and signed into law…Ayn Paul has a dismal track record . . .”
*Paul* has a dismal track record? You are blaming Paul for the failings of the House or Congress as a whole?
It is the House who have a dismal track record, not Ron Paul. He controls only one vote in that body.
misjustice on February 20 at 11:03 a.m.
No, not blaming him for the failures of the House as a whole.
Only pointing out his failure to deliver on his vision for ‘Merica and that as a career politician he has fed at the free lunch trough for 30 years without doing anything to make his libertarian ideas more than the punch line to a bad joke.
Gary D Rhodes on February 20 at 5:48 p.m.
Hey miss J.
I hate to break it to you, but the socialist/liberal plan to get people dependent of government, and shifting that burden to the other tax payers with higher incomes, has been largely successful.
We have a system where people can vote for politicians that will deliver them a free lunch, and politicians that know they can stay in office by delivering free stuff.
But that kind of corruption will always end in failure and implosion, such as is being seen in Greece.
Our system needs change.
We need to chart a new course.
Not towards big government Obama style, nor back to Republican big government such as with Bush or Romney.
Returning power more to states and individuals, and away from collectivist government, seems logical to many.
misjustice on February 21 at 7:14 a.m.
Well, GdR, good luck with that (changing the “system”)! And good luck with getting Ayn Paul elected as POTUS!
; )